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Trevor Lee: this is so stupid. Have you even read the republican plan. This guy is a joke
Jay Hutchinson: have you?
Trevor Lee: yes I have
Trevor Lee: the Democrats won't even look at it
Trevor Lee: which means it's not really about health care but about what they want
Jay Hutchinson: okay then, what do they really want?
Trevor Lee: they are trying to reform the insurance companies not the actual health care itself like the liberals want. Our health I believe is the best in the world and that is why everyone comes here to get it. But it's because of the insurance companies that alot of people can't afford it.
Trevor Lee: They want the power of the government expanded. It's just another huge part of this country they would have control over
Yen Nguyen: Where'd you read/get the plan? I haven't read it yet and wanna read it :)
Delaney Burks: of course you do yen
lol. ive read it ... and its long and boring with some ideas that make me wonder when the next coup wll be.. but its an okay plan.
Trevor Lee: When you control the Health Care you control the people--Adolf Hitler 1939
Yen Nguyen: okay... where can I read it though? Trevor, so are you saying that every person that supports the Democratic health care plan have intentions comparable to those of Hitler?
Jay Hutchinson: According to this ( http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_world_health_ranks.html) 2000 Press Release from the World Health Organization (WHO), the nations with "the most responsive health systems are the United States,...Denmark, Germany,...Canada, Norway, Netherlands, Sweden". So in terms of "responsiveness", we're among the elite.
However, digging deeper into that same study, as seen here ( http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/annex01_en.pdf), it is shown that despite our being ranked first in "responsiveness", we are also first in "Health expenditure per capita in international dollars", 72nd in "Performance -- On level of health", and 37th in "Performance -- Overall health system performance". This is in contrast to Canada, at 10th on the expenditure per capita, 35th in level of health, and 30th in Overall health system performance. Norway, another noted nation with universal health care is 16th, 18th, and 11th in those categories. In summary, we're paying more for a worse system.
Trevor Lee: not at all, but when the democrats won't even look at the republican's plan. Which is to better health care. YOu know it's not about saving lives for them. It's about control
Jay Hutchinson: The whole point of health care reform is to save lives... Suggesting that either side may have ulterior motives makes you no better than someone who believes that the government was behind 9/11.
Trevor Lee: Who says it's a worst system besides you and Michael Moore, and it may be expensive, but that is because it is the best. You pay what you get for
Pablo Tanner: “Everything to make a better health system is available, but we haven't put it together.” - William McGuire, CEO United Health Group
Jay Hutchinson: It's not the best system according to the World Health Organization. I think that's pretty definitive... unless you want to accuse a global organization of deliberate bias.
Yen Nguyen: A better health care system includes reforming insurance companies and their policies. If you can't pay the high deductibles or let alone even have any coverage, there's no point to improve health care(focused on saving lives), since you couldn't get it anyways unless you have the $$$.
Trevor Lee: And you wanna talk about cost. Actually with the raise in taxes that we all will be paying for this nationalized health care, it will cost us all alot more http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2114.cfm
Pablo Tanner: “To my knowledge, every member of management in this company believes that at the time we collectively followed appropriate practices for those option grants which affected all of our employees.” - William McGuire, CEO United Health Group (after a stock options scandal was revealed. He later resigned with a golden parachute of over $1 billion...that would have equated to a $.20 dividend for stockholders)
These are the people the Republican plan is designed to protect.
Trevor Lee: yes I do think that W.H.O. is very Bias
Trevor Lee: Amen Yen!!!!
Jay Hutchinson: And you want to talk about bias? The stated mission of the organization whose website you've posted is "formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense."
Citation: http://www.heritage.org/about/
Jay Hutchinson: You honestly think that a global organization is biased just because its findings don't support your uneducated opinion? Really?
Trevor Lee: that's right, but [Heritage's] statistics are right, can't argue with that
Trevor Lee: if you don't like less government, freedoms traditional values, strong national defense, hey there are always other countries that already offer what you value
Pablo Tanner: That's the global warming argument.
If it could affect my bottom line (or in this case the bottom line of those who contribute to my campaign bottom line) it's not true and must be evil.
Trevor Lee: uneducated opinions, did you read the article I just linked you too, how uneducated are you? : )
Pablo Tanner: Oh Trevor, you have dropped the Hitler bomb and the "if you don't like it leave it" bomb on the same thread?
Overkill award!
Are you channeling Faux News?
Trevor Lee: WHat??????? Pablo????? hahahaha
Jay Hutchinson: Have you taken AP Statistics? It's rather eye-opening learning about ways a biased organization can collect inherently confounded data simply by asking the right question or choosing the right sample.
Trevor Lee: hahaha funny Pablo : p
Yen Nguyen: Now now Jay. Don't go saying that people are uneducated. We're all having an intellectual argument here.
Pablo Tanner: Trevor,
You are a-DOR-able. You will make a great Utah Republican when you are old enough to vote. I'm glad to know that your vote will be swirling in this red state eddy of 5 electoral votes so your impact will be minimal nationally.
Pablo Tanner: Oh, and get back to me when United Health Care refuses payment on your claim. Or when you actually have to pay for a doctor out of pocket.
Orrin Hatch will never worry about health care so he will never worry about yours.
Trevor Lee: hahaha funny Pablo
And there it is. Now, just to clarify, when I said 'uneducated', it wasn't meant as an insult, but rather an inherent trait. Unless Trevor, a high school senior, works part time as a health care statistician, he can have no say personally as to the quality of our health care system. I would never say that our health care system isn't the best just because I feel that way. That's intellectually irresponsible. I used statistics to back it up. These were statistics from an unbiased source. The World Health Organization has no reason to be biased. It's a global organization that fairly assesses the state of the world's health. Trevor's one argument not based on opinion, scare tactics, or Hitler comparisons was based on an article from the conservative Heritage Foundation. What we all need to understand is that when formulating an argument to justify one's opinion, one must back up assertions with factual, unbiased sources. That's the way it works. Using sources like the Heritage Foundation, FOX News, or MSNBC is not appropriate. Using sources like the World Health Organization, the Congressional Budget Office, the United Nations, or the CIA World Factbook is responsible and more compelling.
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